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		<title>by: Body Shots at Oh, for the love of God&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1977</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I added this shot to my match profile (the version there is dated: 8/12/06). I figured I might as well try my bestest to avoid another of these situations. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I added this shot to my match profile (the version there is dated: 8/12/06). I figured I might as well try my bestest to avoid another of these situations. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Alison</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1772</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yikes. Clearly I'm behind on my reading...so many thoughts, racing...

1. The guy is clearly a f'in idiot. 
2. It doesn't help that us mamas are sensitive about our post-baby bodies.
3. Good for you for buying clothes that fit now. I avoided that for too long and it wasn't cute. Then I justified my purchases with a &quot;well, when I get preggo again these jeans can be for my post-baby transition&quot;. I literally have *at least* 4 different sizes of clothes, and am trying to be organized about it.
4. It's not just you unhappy with you. As smart as you are, we are impacted on some level by society and what is considered acceptable.  Mom's with 2 year-olds? and a BMI higher than we'd like? Not acceptable.
5. The grass is always greener. I am .5 from pre-preg weight...or rather, the-day-I-found-out-weight. But you know what? Still feelin' like plumpville and my body is definitely organized differently. 
6. Lastly, keep on keepin' on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes. Clearly I&#8217;m behind on my reading&#8230;so many thoughts, racing&#8230;</p>
<p>1. The guy is clearly a f&#8217;in idiot.<br />
2. It doesn&#8217;t help that us mamas are sensitive about our post-baby bodies.<br />
3. Good for you for buying clothes that fit now. I avoided that for too long and it wasn&#8217;t cute. Then I justified my purchases with a &#8220;well, when I get preggo again these jeans can be for my post-baby transition&#8221;. I literally have *at least* 4 different sizes of clothes, and am trying to be organized about it.<br />
4. It&#8217;s not just you unhappy with you. As smart as you are, we are impacted on some level by society and what is considered acceptable.  Mom&#8217;s with 2 year-olds? and a BMI higher than we&#8217;d like? Not acceptable.<br />
5. The grass is always greener. I am .5 from pre-preg weight&#8230;or rather, the-day-I-found-out-weight. But you know what? Still feelin&#8217; like plumpville and my body is definitely organized differently.<br />
6. Lastly, keep on keepin&#8217; on!
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		<title>by: More on Fat at Oh, for the love of God&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1739</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] In the wake of last week&amp;#8217;s email dumping, I blubbered and cried, and generally got freaked out for a bit. To be clear (again), it wasn&amp;#8217;t losing the guy that was the issue. He has every right to be attracted to whatever attracts him, and at least took the time to understand himself and cut loose rather than wasting my time. The real big deal was that his email made me realize *I* had the same issue with myself: ie, I wasn&amp;#8217;t attracted to me. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In the wake of last week&#8217;s email dumping, I blubbered and cried, and generally got freaked out for a bit. To be clear (again), it wasn&#8217;t losing the guy that was the issue. He has every right to be attracted to whatever attracts him, and at least took the time to understand himself and cut loose rather than wasting my time. The real big deal was that his email made me realize *I* had the same issue with myself: ie, I wasn&#8217;t attracted to me. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Oh, for the love of God&#8230; &#187; *waving*</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1639</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] That&amp;#8217;s interesting in itself. What&amp;#8217;s a little *more* interesting is when a new reader appears with no referral. And when that new reader primarily reads posts like this one. And when that new reader then reviews the &amp;#8220;dating&amp;#8221; category. And when that new reader hails from Denver. And started reading around 1 in the morning. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] That&#8217;s interesting in itself. What&#8217;s a little *more* interesting is when a new reader appears with no referral. And when that new reader primarily reads posts like this one. And when that new reader then reviews the &#8220;dating&#8221; category. And when that new reader hails from Denver. And started reading around 1 in the morning. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Allison</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1607</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>CZJ, for sure.  Did you see &lt;a href=&quot;http://gofugyourself.typepad.com/go_fug_yourself/2006/07/fugrates_of_the.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these photos&lt;/a&gt; of Keira?  She apparently *swears* that she's not anorexic, but could she really possibly think this looks healthy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CZJ, for sure.  Did you see <a href="http://gofugyourself.typepad.com/go_fug_yourself/2006/07/fugrates_of_the.html" rel="nofollow">these photos</a> of Keira?  She apparently *swears* that she&#8217;s not anorexic, but could she really possibly think this looks healthy?
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		<title>by: Mike</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1605</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Okay everyone...which would you choose for a date?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.askmen.com/specials/2006_top_99/catherine-zeta-jones-67.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt;  or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncut.at/stars/person.php?person_id=143&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay everyone&#8230;which would you choose for a date?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.askmen.com/specials/2006_top_99/catherine-zeta-jones-67.html" rel="nofollow">This one</a>  or <a href="http://www.uncut.at/stars/person.php?person_id=143" rel="nofollow">this one</a>?
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		<title>by: Allison</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1604</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;b&gt;Dorsey:&lt;/b&gt; Whether you think you're a relationship idiot or not, you're always welcome to comment.  I kind of like getting the perspective of a male who doesn't have a horse in the race!  Thanks for the reassurance.

&lt;b&gt;Laura:&lt;/b&gt;  I think you hit it.  I'd prefer to think that he, instead, is hoping to find the &quot;whole package&quot; -- and I just wasn't it.  But realistically, from parts of our conversation, I think he needs to grow up, and that you're correct.

&lt;b&gt;Jenny:&lt;/b&gt; Yes, he gets a partial point for being honest.  It's his absolute right to have preferences, and I would never say otherwise.  What I find odd is that I revisited his profile, and while &quot;curvy&quot; wasn't one of his choices, &quot;a few extra pounds&quot; was -- and to me, that implies &lt;b&gt;more&lt;/b&gt; weight!  Eh, whatever.

&lt;b&gt;Mike:&lt;/b&gt; Boy, would I love to be a fly on the wall for that counseling session!  The great irony of this?  He's a therapist.  I think he just phrased his email badly.  Rather than being ambivalent about my figure, he was ambivalent about ME.  I'm reminded of the scene in &lt;i&gt;The Truth About Cats and Dogs&lt;/i&gt; where Abby says, &quot;...but those things don't come in that package.  They come in THIS one.&quot;  Yup.

I'm calmer.  A girlfriend gave me a little bit of a reality check/reminder that if I'd carried myself like a million bucks *without* mentioning my curviness, it's possible he'd not have even thought twice.  But really, I doubt it -- he actually commented at one point, &quot;you're extremely self-confident, aren't you?&quot;  Why shouldn't I be?

One final thing -- Mike, you mentioned arm-candy, and I completely agree with that guess.  I &lt;a href=&quot;http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/04/a-few-thoughts-on-weight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote a post a couple months ago&lt;/a&gt; linking to one by Hugo that describes exactly what you suggest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dorsey:</b> Whether you think you&#8217;re a relationship idiot or not, you&#8217;re always welcome to comment.  I kind of like getting the perspective of a male who doesn&#8217;t have a horse in the race!  Thanks for the reassurance.</p>
<p><b>Laura:</b>  I think you hit it.  I&#8217;d prefer to think that he, instead, is hoping to find the &#8220;whole package&#8221; &#8212; and I just wasn&#8217;t it.  But realistically, from parts of our conversation, I think he needs to grow up, and that you&#8217;re correct.</p>
<p><b>Jenny:</b> Yes, he gets a partial point for being honest.  It&#8217;s his absolute right to have preferences, and I would never say otherwise.  What I find odd is that I revisited his profile, and while &#8220;curvy&#8221; wasn&#8217;t one of his choices, &#8220;a few extra pounds&#8221; was &#8212; and to me, that implies <b>more</b> weight!  Eh, whatever.</p>
<p><b>Mike:</b> Boy, would I love to be a fly on the wall for that counseling session!  The great irony of this?  He&#8217;s a therapist.  I think he just phrased his email badly.  Rather than being ambivalent about my figure, he was ambivalent about ME.  I&#8217;m reminded of the scene in <i>The Truth About Cats and Dogs</i> where Abby says, &#8220;&#8230;but those things don&#8217;t come in that package.  They come in THIS one.&#8221;  Yup.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m calmer.  A girlfriend gave me a little bit of a reality check/reminder that if I&#8217;d carried myself like a million bucks *without* mentioning my curviness, it&#8217;s possible he&#8217;d not have even thought twice.  But really, I doubt it &#8212; he actually commented at one point, &#8220;you&#8217;re extremely self-confident, aren&#8217;t you?&#8221;  Why shouldn&#8217;t I be?</p>
<p>One final thing &#8212; Mike, you mentioned arm-candy, and I completely agree with that guess.  I <a href="http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/04/a-few-thoughts-on-weight/" rel="nofollow">wrote a post a couple months ago</a> linking to one by Hugo that describes exactly what you suggest!
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		<title>by: Mike</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1602</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ambivalent (adjective): Possessing intense feelings in opposition to each other. 

So he is ambivalent to your womanly shape is he? I hope he doesn't mean &quot;ambiguous&quot;, saying that he is luke-warm about it. No man has a half-hearted opinion about how women look. No man.

If he is ambivalent it means he feels two very intense things. As a counselor for almost 30 years, allow me to give an educated guess as to what he feels intensely opposite about. (I love doing this when I don't have to counsel him...although I think my rates would hit the $200/hour mark with him).

First, he probably finds you intensely attractive and several times in the date I can imagine he was having a slightly-less-than-intelligent conversation with your chest. (Alli nods in agreement). The other intense feeling is that he thinks his business contacts and other so-called &quot;friends&quot; would not consider a shapely woman to be good enough as &quot;arm-candy&quot; which means that he thinks more of his image and position than you. 

Or, it could be latent hostility towards a decidedly fit and sensuous female highlighting some obvious deficiencies in his maleness. That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambivalent (adjective): Possessing intense feelings in opposition to each other. </p>
<p>So he is ambivalent to your womanly shape is he? I hope he doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;ambiguous&#8221;, saying that he is luke-warm about it. No man has a half-hearted opinion about how women look. No man.</p>
<p>If he is ambivalent it means he feels two very intense things. As a counselor for almost 30 years, allow me to give an educated guess as to what he feels intensely opposite about. (I love doing this when I don&#8217;t have to counsel him&#8230;although I think my rates would hit the $200/hour mark with him).</p>
<p>First, he probably finds you intensely attractive and several times in the date I can imagine he was having a slightly-less-than-intelligent conversation with your chest. (Alli nods in agreement). The other intense feeling is that he thinks his business contacts and other so-called &#8220;friends&#8221; would not consider a shapely woman to be good enough as &#8220;arm-candy&#8221; which means that he thinks more of his image and position than you. </p>
<p>Or, it could be latent hostility towards a decidedly fit and sensuous female highlighting some obvious deficiencies in his maleness. That&#8217;s my theory, and I&#8217;m sticking to it.
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		<title>by: Allison</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1591</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I took a bath and it calmed me right down.

Kidding.

Actually, I took a shower and composed (in my head, of course) a long blog post about a bunch of my own hangups.  I was a long, wandering rant, and I was going to title it &quot;Making Sausage,&quot; because it wasn't pretty.

I got out of the shower to find my mom at the top of the steps as I ran to get Maya up from her nap.  That's always fun when you're carrying, but not wearing a towel.  I explained to her that we were *not* going shopping this afternoon, because I did *not* feel like it -- but left it at that.  (One of my rants was directed at her...what was that about unexpressed anger?)

By the time she left, the fight had pretty well burned out of me, and I'm just tired.  At least I'm calmer.

I also discovered a few remaining issues -- tendencies toward lie-based thinking, if you will -- of my own to muddle through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a bath and it calmed me right down.</p>
<p>Kidding.</p>
<p>Actually, I took a shower and composed (in my head, of course) a long blog post about a bunch of my own hangups.  I was a long, wandering rant, and I was going to title it &#8220;Making Sausage,&#8221; because it wasn&#8217;t pretty.</p>
<p>I got out of the shower to find my mom at the top of the steps as I ran to get Maya up from her nap.  That&#8217;s always fun when you&#8217;re carrying, but not wearing a towel.  I explained to her that we were *not* going shopping this afternoon, because I did *not* feel like it &#8212; but left it at that.  (One of my rants was directed at her&#8230;what was that about unexpressed anger?)</p>
<p>By the time she left, the fight had pretty well burned out of me, and I&#8217;m just tired.  At least I&#8217;m calmer.</p>
<p>I also discovered a few remaining issues &#8212; tendencies toward lie-based thinking, if you will &#8212; of my own to muddle through.
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		<title>by: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://ftlog.meanderwithme.com/2006/07/pain-and-anger-anger-and-pain/#comment-1590</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We all have our preferences in terms of physical traits we find attractive. But for some of us, intelligence and personality trump those preferences. 

He gets .0000094 point for being honest so you don't waste your time with a complete fuckwit. 

As someone who's fat, I know it's hard to negotiate living as a woman in our society for these reasons. It's taken a long time for me to be fat and proud it takes work to get over the cultural expectations and standards.

Of course, at a 12/14 you're not fat (I say this not to remove the possibility of insult, because in my vocabulary &quot;fat&quot; is not an offensive term).

Anyway, I'm just another voice (adding to the previous commenters' and your own) saying that you deserve ONLY the best in mates. I hope your next date goes well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have our preferences in terms of physical traits we find attractive. But for some of us, intelligence and personality trump those preferences. </p>
<p>He gets .0000094 point for being honest so you don&#8217;t waste your time with a complete fuckwit. </p>
<p>As someone who&#8217;s fat, I know it&#8217;s hard to negotiate living as a woman in our society for these reasons. It&#8217;s taken a long time for me to be fat and proud it takes work to get over the cultural expectations and standards.</p>
<p>Of course, at a 12/14 you&#8217;re not fat (I say this not to remove the possibility of insult, because in my vocabulary &#8220;fat&#8221; is not an offensive term).</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m just another voice (adding to the previous commenters&#8217; and your own) saying that you deserve ONLY the best in mates. I hope your next date goes well!
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